DN, FBI, Kwak & IKS

[turdblossom]

As the criminal case against Kwak, Ward and Allison is being wrapped up, its time to reflect on what will happen next. IMHO, there will be an assault on IKS technology. The Kwak case is of special interest here due to the Alignment of the DN SI unit and the FBI. Prior to USA vs Kwak the FBI had done little if anything to prosecute signal piracy. This resulted in DN and their SI unit doing virtually all of the Kwak investigation. The informants were agents of DN and the criminal case was a product of the SI unit. The bottom line is the FBI had the Kwak case handed to them on a silver platter. Of course this is really great for the FBI guys, someone else does the work, and they get the credit.

So, this being the case, I think we can assume a working relationship has been developed between the FBI and the DN SI unit. So where do they go from here ? Well, IMHO they go after IKS. Again, IMHO, the SI unit has probably done an extensive investigation of IKS, but lacks the IP addresses of the end users connected to IKS servers. The FBI, and specifically the anti-terrorism unit, has the hardware and software to break through proxies and sniff out internet server/client bridges. Its a classic case of "I got the hammer and you got the nails". Again, IMHO, DN should be pushing the FBI in this direction. If this is the case, I would expect something to happen in the next 2 months, no longer, as they already have plenty of fish in the net so to speak.

Of course the FBI could be pressured not to pursue this investigation by the politicos in Washington who might fear a backlash if the public were left with the perception of an internet run by "big Brother". Well, we'll let the reader decide.

Be well, be safe

T


Post script/edit 10/29/09; 6:00 am
I am adding a C/P I posted in another thread, as it dovetails nicely with this thread;

Originally Posted by Turdblossom

Yup, no way does the DN SI unit just fold up the tent and quit after getting Kwak and VS.

There is a social/economic phenomenon that occurs when an agency is established within any organization. This occurs in the government departments as well as in many large corporations. The newly created agency or team or department wants to survive, thrive, and grow. The individuals working there-in want job security, raises, and bonuses. We see this effect in law enforcement with "special investigation units", and in the military with "special operations teams", and in the private sectors with "special R & D teams" and "special marketing teams" and "special research teams".

So, what I am saying is it is to be expected that JJ Gee will maneuver to expand and grow the SI unit; to do so with an expectation of financial gain and job security for himself and his operatives. This translates into more and more actions against any pirate entity in order to justify their continued existence and growth.

This may sound somewhat complicated, but it really isn't. Its just human nature for people to advance their careers. Now, having said all of the above, let me state this is my opinion. Everyone can take it or leave it; and there should be no fan-boy bashes. If you wish to ignore this post, that is your right.

Adious

T

[clubman]

this story sucks cause theres no chuck norris.

[dirtydave]

I have sit by and read until my eyes are bleeding! I am going to speculate, as you are, that you are correct. Everyone is entitled to their opinion and time will tell who's hunch is right and who's is wrong. I have 2 thoughts on the subject:

1. Everyone is so worried about hiding thier ip adress when visiting questionable sites, but will download keys with a reciever from a public server??? If you don't think that a list of ip's would be turned over with the threat of prison time and/or a fine, think again. I am sure that Kwak will suprise you before that matter is settled....

2. This is more of a common sense thing, but, how many of the end users are going to be pissed when the stb brand that they are buying slumps in sales and the server is taken down because the money has been made? It would make more sense to me if they were charging a monthly fee for access so that it would be worth their time and money when sales slow down. I see people on here trashing Viewsat because they don't have a "fix". I would be willing to be that 1/2 of them have a platinum that they have owned for years and has more than compensated them for their initial investment.

Which, most people on here, LIKE ME only come on this site for the humor section and think that the word "test" is something that we took in school for a grade. My HD antenna is working perfectly without any freezing what-so-ever.

Good luck with the choices that you make, but don't say that your were not informed. I have read T and several others put the warnings out there so please cry somewhere else if you get in trouble or if the server gets hacked, reciever was cloned and had to be updated due to profit loss, they dissapear, etc.

I am through ranting now, Jeopardy is on.

[clubman]

Heres the thing though.

These IKS boxes if the 'server' is taken down are ready to go for private iks solution, which as my Marvel villain would say is 'unstoppable!'

No seriously. All you need is 10 guys splitting the cost of a full package all connected via iks to one another.

All UFC fights $5 each/month.
Dish package $5 each/month.

[novapi]

Originally Posted by turdblossom

As the criminal case against Kwak, Ward and Allison is being wrapped up, its time to reflect on what will happen next. IMHO, there will be an assault on IKS technology. The Kwak case is of special interest here due to the Alignment of the DN SI unit and the FBI. Prior to USA vs Kwak the FBI had done little if anything to prosecute signal piracy. This resulted in DN and their SI unit doing virtually all of the Kwak investigation. The informants were agents of DN and the criminal case was a product of the SI unit. The bottom line is the FBI had the Kwak case handed to them on a silver platter. Of course this is really great for the FBI guys, someone else does the work, and they get the credit.

So, this being the case, I think we can assume a working relationship has been developed between the FBI and the DN SI unit. So where do they go from here ? Well, IMHO they go after IKS. Again, IMHO, the SI unit has probably done an extensive investigation of IKS, but lacks the IP addresses of the end users connected to IKS servers. The FBI, and specifically the anti-terrorism unit, has the hardware and software to break through proxies and sniff out internet server/client bridges. Its a classic case of "I got the hammer and you got the nails". Again, IMHO, DN should be pushing the FBI in this direction. If this is the case, I would expect something to happen in the next 2 months, no longer, as they already have plenty of fish in the net so to speak.

Of course the FBI could be pressured not to pursue this investigation by the politicos in Washington who might fear a backlash if the public were left with the perception of an internet run by "big Brother". Well, we'll let the reader decide.

Be well, be safe

T

Sounds reasonable to me. What are they going to do with all the manpower and equipment not to mention the budget now that the Kwak case is over. I can think of one thing they can do and it has three initials in it!

[ronniemillsaps]

What is left to be pondered is what is going to happen to the end users. That is what worries a lot of people. People get on here and talk tough but when they are staring down a subpoena they may change their tune. I could see dish taking people to civil court over IKS. If they have logs of months of key sharing traffic they can really come down on people if they want to. Maybe(and I hope) they will just take it out on the manufacturers and leave the end users alone but you know they probably wont. They have launched a full out attack, I dont see why they would stop now. It could get really messy over the next year. This is one of the main reasons I dont think you will see a peep of any solution, coders scared of fines and such.

[dirtydave]

I keep hearing the argument that you can use a private server with these boxes when they take down the main server due to a lack of sales. I am not going to argue this point as I am sure that you can do that, Dreambox has been doing this for quite some time now. I will also agree that it would be next to impossible to get caught doing this, not that I would do it. What would concern me is when the heat gets put on the manufacturer, they WILL release names, adressesses, etc. This shouldn't be a concern since I know that everyone that buys 1 of these recievers is using it for the purpose that it is sold for and your ip will never be logged to the server that is providing keys to the few people that are using it illegally.

There are other solutions available than a stb that is advertised to do what these are. Some people will have to stir the pile because they do not believe that it stinks, I hope that they are right.............

As you sleep tonight dreaming about a private, safe network among friends, maybe your DREAM will show you the light.

[ronniemillsaps]

I just dont feel good about that so called friend share thing. Yeah, if all your friends pay the bill right on time and put money in the account early and the bill never causes any trouble but I personally wouldnt want to have to deal with getting money out of 5 people and the setup for not that much gain. I know they are overpriced but if I wanted it that bad I would just pay. Just my thoughts not trying to force anybodys opinion either way. I just dont like headache and that seems like headache to me.

[Broomer]

for the list of client echo have the authorization since July

Case 3:07-cv-01273-W-AJB Document 93 Filed 07/11/2009 Page 1 of 8

ECHOSTAR SATELLITE LLC, a Colorado
Limited Liability Company, ECHOSTAR
TECHNOLOGIES CORPORATION, a Texas
corporation, and NAGRASTAR LLC., a
Colorado Limited Liability Company,
Plaintiff,
v.
VIEWTECH, INC., a California corporation,
JUNG KWAK, an Individual and DOES 1-10,
Defendants.

Civil No.07cv1273 W (AJB)
Order: Granting In Part and Denying
In Part Plaintiffs’ Motion to Compel; and
Denying Motion for Protective Order
[Doc. Nos. 85 and 86]

II. Motion for Protective Order

Defendants have filed a motion for protective order with regard to the subpoenas issued by
Plaintiffs’ to Defendants authorized dealers seeking:

Documents sufficient to identify each person who purchased or otherwise acquired a
Viewsat Receiver from you during the period of January 1, 2004 to present date, including,
but not limited to, documents that identify each person’s name, address, phone number,
and email address, and the purchase date, purchase price, purchase quantity, and
model number for each Viewsat receiver.

Based upon the foregoing and for the reasons set forth above, the Defendants’ motion for
protective order is hereby DENIED, however, the Plaintiffs’ use of the information obtained
from the subpoenas is limited and may not be used by the Plaintiffs to initiate litigation,
threaten potential litigation, or to seek to resolve potential litigation based upon alleged signal piracy.

[RF_WIZARD]

Originally Posted by turdblossom

As the criminal case against Kwak, Ward and Allison is being wrapped up, its time to reflect on what will happen next. IMHO, there will be an assault on IKS technology. The Kwak case is of special interest here due to the Alignment of the DN SI unit and the FBI. Prior to USA vs Kwak the FBI had done little if anything to prosecute signal piracy. This resulted in DN and their SI unit doing virtually all of the Kwak investigation. The informants were agents of DN and the criminal case was a product of the SI unit. The bottom line is the FBI had the Kwak case handed to them on a silver platter. Of course this is really great for the FBI guys, someone else does the work, and they get the credit.

So, this being the case, I think we can assume a working relationship has been developed between the FBI and the DN SI unit. So where do they go from here ? Well, IMHO they go after IKS. Again, IMHO, the SI unit has probably done an extensive investigation of IKS, but lacks the IP addresses of the end users connected to IKS servers. The FBI, and specifically the anti-terrorism unit, has the hardware and software to break through proxies and sniff out internet server/client bridges. Its a classic case of "I got the hammer and you got the nails". Again, IMHO, DN should be pushing the FBI in this direction. If this is the case, I would expect something to happen in the next 2 months, no longer, as they already have plenty of fish in the net so to speak.

Of course the FBI could be pressured not to pursue this investigation by the politicos in Washington who might fear a backlash if the public were left with the perception of an internet run by "big Brother". Well, we'll let the reader decide.

Be well, be safe

T

well said !!!
i agree with you 100%
you are correct !!
the word is out already i know several BIG IKS FTA dealers closeing there doors, one for this reason they know the end is near !!
and the other one the business is very slow and dead no one wants the IKS JUNK .

[Newguysat]

Originally Posted by Broomer

for the list of client echo have the authorization since July

Thisis misleading. They agreed not to persue any names on the list before it was handed over. You get a +1 for fear mongering.

[thegeek]

Originally Posted by turdblossom

As the criminal case against Kwak, Ward and Allison is being wrapped up, its time to reflect on what will happen next. IMHO, there will be an assault on IKS technology. The Kwak case is of special interest here due to the Alignment of the DN SI unit and the FBI. Prior to USA vs Kwak the FBI had done little if anything to prosecute signal piracy. This resulted in DN and their SI unit doing virtually all of the Kwak investigation. The informants were agents of DN and the criminal case was a product of the SI unit. The bottom line is the FBI had the Kwak case handed to them on a silver platter. Of course this is really great for the FBI guys, someone else does the work, and they get the credit.

So, this being the case, I think we can assume a working relationship has been developed between the FBI and the DN SI unit. So where do they go from here ? Well, IMHO they go after IKS. Again, IMHO, the SI unit has probably done an extensive investigation of IKS, but lacks the IP addresses of the end users connected to IKS servers. The FBI, and specifically the anti-terrorism unit, has the hardware and software to break through proxies and sniff out internet server/client bridges. Its a classic case of "I got the hammer and you got the nails". Again, IMHO, DN should be pushing the FBI in this direction. If this is the case, I would expect something to happen in the next 2 months, no longer, as they already have plenty of fish in the net so to speak.

Of course the FBI could be pressured not to pursue this investigation by the politicos in Washington who might fear a backlash if the public were left with the perception of an internet run by "big Brother". Well, we'll let the reader decide.

Be well, be safe

T

Nonsense

http://www.cybercrime.gov/

The FBI has had a Cybercrime / Intellectual Property division for quite some time , a decade or more. They move slow with their trolling net.

[Broomer]

Originally Posted by Newguysat

Thisis misleading. They agreed not to persue any names on the list before it was handed over. You get a +1 for fear mongering.

persue ? no such thing

there is no agreement , it have been ordered

the Plaintiffs’ use of the information obtained
from the subpoenas is limited and may not be used by the Plaintiffs to initiate litigation,
threaten potential litigation, or to seek to resolve potential litigation based upon alleged signal piracy

the information is limited ,in what way ?

then not to initiate litigation , to seek to resolve , based on alleged signal piracy

so fare it is understandable ???

so the "motion for protective order " have been DENIED , but the info gattered have to obey what the judge have said

read the complete doc , it is posted on this forum

[mabs]

based on what grounds would the fbi be able to use the sniffers that would actually hold up in a court of law. that would be an interesting table to be sitting at to hear the side bar

[Newguysat]

the Plaintiffs’ use of the information obtained
from the subpoenas is limited and may not be used by the Plaintiffs to initiate litigation,
threaten potential litigation, or to seek to resolve potential litigation based upon alleged signal piracy

What part of that is hard for u to understand.

THEY CANNOT SUE THE PEOPLE ON THE LIST.

Fear Monger.