Fbi, Dn & Iks 2.0

[turdblossom]

The FBI, DN & IKS

I thought I would do a little follow up to my previous thread on this. First, lets do do a little history lesson. Prior to the abundant usage of communications satellites, half of the world had NO communications. It was simply far too expensive to "hard-wire" or grid the remote areas and the areas where the average person had no money to pay for services. We drive down the street and don't even see the telephone poles every 80 feet, but half of the world has no telephone poles at all. Well, to this day they still have no telephone poles, But they have satellite phones, satellite internet, etc. What was once too costly to do, can now be done via satellite. Well the USA intelligence community imediately recognized this as a valuable intelligence gathering tool. They now monitor activity on communications satellites around the world. This monitoring is software driven for the most part. For example, they can key in search phrases such as "bomb bridge" or "kilos of powder" etc. It should also be noted that all communications have a data stream which contains routing information. This is how phone calls go to the correct number and requested web pages are returned to the correct IP address. Therefore, the monitoring can be programed to be location specific. They can monitor a specific phone number or IP address etc. In other words they can log those connecting to IKS servers if they so wished.

Prior to 9/11/2001 this monitoring was done by the CIA, NSC, Pentagon etc. After 9/11 with the enactment of the Patriot Act, the FBI was allowed to participate in this monitoring of communications originating from outside the USA. A little side track here, those who spoke against the Patriot Act and stated "everyone's phone can be tapped" were misinformed. However, if someone in Afganistan calls someone in Detroit, well yes the call would be subject to monitoring. So the FBI is now involved in intelligence gathering from foreign sources. Therefore an offshore IKS server is not invisible to the FBI. In fact an offshore server may be more vulnerable to monitoring because the FBI now has access to the best intelligence gathering hardware & software. These "tools" or "power toys" probably have capabilities far exceeding their existing domestic tools.

There has been much speculation about whether the FBI would be interested in investing IKS piracy. I have heard good points on both sides of that issue. Many believe and have stated the FBI has bigger and better things to do and will not bother with IKS. While I agree they certainly do have bigger things to do, there is also internal politics at work here. The FBI in its current configuration could best be called an umbrella agency which is made up of numerous smaller departments. Here are some of these departments: Terrorism, Counterintelligence, Cyber, Public Corruption, Civil Rights, Organized Crime, White Collar Crime, Major Thefts/Violent Crime. Each one of these departments is under pressure to perform. Each department is concerned about their sector and not the FBI in total. Therfore IMHO, the FBI Cyber Unit may just be interested in IKS. And lets remember this is a fairly new unit still looking for an identity; and those individuals working in this unit are looking to advance their careers just like everyone else. I also believe many of those working in the Cyber Unit are not what we would consider a typical FBI agent complete with dark blue suit and sun glasses; but rather they would or should be GEEKS! Now there's a scary thought, a geek with a badge. But geeks are very good at what they do. You may not wish to take one out to dinner, but give them a cyber scent and they'll run with it like a blood hound in a pine forest. I just wonder if the FBI and CIA have their own geeks, or if they do "geek-sharing"? Well, my point is I believe they have people who really want to perform, and therefore will not want to overlook the IKS situation. Think "GUNG HO DUDES"

Another aspect to be considered is to what extent the DN SI unit can influence law enforcement. As most people realize, most large corporations have some in house security department. Typically this department is staffed with retired law enforcement personal. This is done by these corporations knowing full well these employees still have connections back to their former agencies and have access to data and can get assistance from their former law enforcement agency. In the case of DN, it has been reported that there are former FBI working inside the SI unit. Therefore it should be obvious there is some level of cooperation and exchange of information between the FBI and the DN SI unit.

Now, lets consider the political landscape. Hopefully this will not start a BS political debate about dems vs repubs and libs vs conservs, but most would agree the current President is more liberal than any we have seen. It is also apparent to 99% of us that the Dems & libs are pro labor, pro blue collar, anti big business; while the Repubs are the party of big business. remember the campaign? Bush and his Big Oil buddies, Chaney and Haliburton? Its easy to imagine the sentiment in the White House being "let the working folks have some free TV" and "the providers are making millions, so who cares if there is a little leakage". So It would not be unexpected if the White House advised the FBI to go easy on the satellite piracy end users while allowing them to prosecute the higher ups and garner some headlines.

However, there is another side to the polical landscape, Congress. Various members of Congress have been lobbied by and received "contributions" from lobbyists representing the providers. While we don't know the full extent of this lobbying, we do know the result; the Digital Millenium Copyright Act. This act, IMHO, is an affront to the US Constitution as it makes someone, who utilizes a signal beamed on to his property, a criminal. I suspect someday some court will find this act unconstitutional. That being said, my point here is that the providers have been able to influence Congress to an extent where individual rights have been totally trampled. So I think we can all assume that the providers are using their influence with Congress, and that some members of Congress are pressuring the FBI to crack down on satellite piracy to an even greater extent.

And here is yet another side to the political equation; the Charlie factor. Recently DN has floated out a 1 Billion dollar bond and a 400 Million dollar bond. If my math is correct, that comes out to 1.4 Billion cash on hand. Charlie Ergen, ceo and founder of DN could conceivably help himself to the majority of this cash via stock buy-backs, loans, bonuses and other vehicles. Charlie could then let DN collapse, and blame it all on piracy and the lack of enforcement by the FBI. There would be tremendous damage in the financial sector; bondholders and stockholders would be screwed. There would be investors screaming for a government bail out. The crying on the street would be similiar to what we heard with Madoff. Obviously this would put the current adminstration in a very uncomfortable position. This is what is called leverage, and IMHO it is currently being applied by Charlie.

In summation, IMHO, the FBI has the aparattus to log and identify those who connect to an IKS server. Will they proceed in this direction? Well thats the Million Dollar question isn't it? I really don't know the answer and I don't think anyone else does. But I believe this situation is comparable to a Quija Board and very fluid, with many hands exerting pressure from differing directions. Also, with all the ongoing haggling over Healthcare, Afghanistan etc. at any point in time the politicians may be distracted from this issue and may not be as influential as I have previously stated.

Regarding my "agenda" as some would say. Well its to educate. I am not telling anyone to use IKS and I am not telling anyone not to use IKS. I am simply trying to identify the factors that are in play. Everyone should make their own risk assessment and proceed accordingly.

Be Well

T

[Newguysat]

That was 7 minutes of my life I'll never get back.
Badchicken was right about you.
You are a fear monger.

Actually this whole site is an excercise in doom and gloom no-future depression.

SCrew this site, I'm outta here.

[ascenttm]

Newguysat all I can say is don't let the door hit you too hard!
Why is it when somebody is unhappy they need to tell everybody they are leaving?
Why don't they just leave?
Are they hoping somebody will beg them to stay?
Who cares I'm staying!

Hit the road Jack and don't ya come back no more.
OH, wait - you didn't leave, I see the green light. One hour after leaving and you're still here? You really like it here and were just lying about leaving weren't you?

[satmanvic]

Originally Posted by ascenttm

Newguysat all I can say is don't let the door hit you too hard!
Why is it when somebody is unhappy they need to tell everybody they are leaving?
Why don't they just leave?
Are they hoping somebody will beg them to stay?
Who cares I'm staying!

Hit the road Jack and don't ya come back no more.
OH, wait - you didn't leave, I see the green light. One hour after leaving and you're still here? You really like it here and were just lying about leaving weren't you?

LOL Tell it like it is!! LOL

[DEATHROW]

Very nice post turdblossom! You make some very valid points that makes you set back and say hmm. I for one don't mess with Iks for many many reasons, but for those who do and those that are thinking about it should read this post very carefully.
As for you Newguy Why is that you don't like it when someone states their own opinion? Everyone reads and accepts your posts and don't cry and say I'm leaving. You have to face it some people just don't trust going Iks. If you really set down and think about it Iks is very scary route. I'm not knocking Iks, but I myself wouldn't mess with it nor would I recommend it to any of my friends!

[Broomer]

his crapola is :

IKS is safe

everybody that say the opposite are fear monger-er


what is your iks server Newguysat ???

afraid to loose client ?? so you try to lie to keep them ?

[clubman]

This post is a commentary, but the thread title makes it seem like latest news.

Boo. I too got duped. Want my 7 minutes back. lol

[Broomer]

Originally Posted by clubman

This post is a commentary, but the thread title makes it seem like latest news.

Boo. I too got duped. Want my 7 minutes back. lol

but you read it in rumor forum

[tarzan13]

Hey if I'm in canada or somewhere else that gets charlies signal and I use iks
How the hell will the FBI get me.
Since I'm not watching bev
and i thing (correct me if i'm wrong) I can use a provider that works only for charlie
so bev cant do a thing about that server.
or im in mexico what can fbi do
its an international game.
they have trouble extraditing a convicted rapist from the swiss.
how will they get the guy from the" ile de la madelaine" french island that gets dn & bev signal?
there is certanly a trail left by IKS and trail are dangerous but to what extent.
So turd what your opinion on that?

[GotChicken?]

More and more folks are seeing this site for what it is.
Anti-piracy, Pro-Nagra bullshit.
Turdblossom, the Nagra informant and all around douchebag will continue to drive people away from this site with his "it's all over DN has won" bullshit.

And, of course, the faithful will say "Oh screw him, he said IKS was safe!", when of course he said no such thing.

This site is run by DN, and pro-DN posters like TB are given free-reign, along with JJ Gee's best friend. Lunarat50.

[tarzan13]

stop scaring them!!!
they wont give me answer if you shooo them away!Lol!

[tarzan13]

the best way to get around the laws is if you ask the law tonnes of question till you see they gray area of it
then you work in those grey area
till they pass laws to clearify those grey area of the law
just looking for grey areas thats all.
O and by they way I do not encourage signal theft or any other crimes just here for informationnaly and educational porpuse.

[gslrider]

Originally Posted by Newguysat

That was 7 minutes of my life I'll never get back.
Badchicken was right about you.
You are a fear monger.

Actually this whole site is an excercise in doom and gloom no-future depression.

SCrew this site, I'm outta here.

LOL! This guys is really insecure. No one else seems to feel this way. Hmmmm. Well, it was nice having you. I'll help you out.

[gslrider]

Originally Posted by GotChicken?

More and more folks are seeing this site for what it is.
Anti-piracy, Pro-Nagra bullshit.
Turdblossom, the Nagra informant and all around douchebag will continue to drive people away from this site with his "it's all over DN has won" bullshit.

And, of course, the faithful will say "Oh screw him, he said IKS was safe!", when of course he said no such thing.

This site is run by DN, and pro-DN posters like TB are given free-reign, along with JJ Gee's best friend. Lunarat50.

This guy sounds like the Newsatguy. Funny how Newsatguy decides to never come back, then chickenhead shows up again. His multiple personalities must have woken up.

Funny how these guys trash this site, with a promise to never return again, but keeps coming back. Hmmmm. Stupid, or just loves to keep putting their foot in their mouth. Oh well. Bye-bye again...and again...and again...

[bigwappo]

good to see you are not hiding yourself chicken but you should let it all out pretty quick before you are sent off again

I think it is time for a smile and a chuckle for what you do the way that you do chicken

Have a good one

Darn by the time i typed this it was to late see you in a few days later